Post by cofi on Oct 15, 2007 20:22:56 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]Yes Gibson has got guitar factory's in China making Epiphone & Gibson guitars.[/glow]
So the next time you are thinking of, or are buying a new Epi electric guitar or Gibson (acoustics) or Fender's, and your thinking your buying American made guitars, think again, as more and more named guitars are been made in the far east, China to be exact.
and there are shop's in America & other countries selling them as USA made guitars,
There has been a lot of "hoo ha" about the Chinese Gibson/Fender, & other makes fakes been sold on e-bay, but are all these guitars fakes, or are some of them seconds, coming out of these Chinese factories.
Of course there will alway's be fakes, but now what with some shop's been caught selling these guitars as the real deal, it does make me wander that some of these fakes are seconds coming out of these factories.
Qingdao Factory!
Here's what some are writing and saying about these guitars, & factory's
Arrest spotlights counterfeiting of Gibson guitars
10/11/2007 8:18:39 AM
By Frank Eltman
Associated Press
GARDEN CITY, N.Y. -- It's a familiar tune, a sad lament actually, about a product falling victim to counterfeiters. Lately, they've been picking on guitars.
Last month, a Long Island music dealer was accused of selling $90,000 worth of knockoffs of classic Gibsons, a guitar known for its deep, melodic sound and used by virtually every country, rock and blues artist from Elvis Presley to Eric Clapton.
"Unfortunately, consumers are ending up on the short end of the stick," said Henry Juszkiewicz, chief executive of Nashville-based Gibson Guitars Corp.
Gibson guitars -- inexpensive models start at about $2,000 -- have a rich, distinctive sound that leads musicians to speak about them in reverent tones.
B.B. King is perhaps the best-known devotee; his black Gibson, nicknamed Lucille, shares nearly equal billing with the blues master on stage.
"Signing guitars that are not Gibson is like being married and kissing a woman who is not your wife," King once huffed when asked to autograph a Fender guitar.
Some of Gibson's Les Paul models -- named for the creator of the solid body electric guitar -- can sell for as much as $10,000 new.
Knocking them off is a lucrative and easy business, according to Hank Risan, a founder of the online Museum of Musical Instruments who owns an extensive collection of guitars and other instruments, including a $15 million guitar once owned by Mark Twain.
"To put together a replica might cost me a thousand dollars, more or less, depending on the instruments and parts," Risan said.
Add a fake logo and insert serial numbers that appear genuine, he said, and "the average person, and most experts, won't know if it's a really good forgery."
China -- as it has with other consumer goods, such as electronics, designer clothing and cigarettes -- has become the source of an influx of mass-produced counterfeit guitars, Juszkiewicz said. Gibson has a factory in China, and Juszkiewicz said that in addition to the legitimate factory, there is another one producing bogus guitars.
He estimated the knockoffs cost the industry millions, but he had no specific figures.
"Most of our leads come from consumers," he said. "There are a lot of really bad instruments being passed off as Gibsons out there. The paint rubs off on your clothes when you take it out of the box, and they sound awful."
A surge in recent years in the value of vintage guitars -- some of which sell for millions at auction -- is also helping fuel the market in fake Gibsons, Fenders and other six-strings.
Forged musical instruments are nothing new. There have been knockoffs of valuable instruments like the Stradivarius violin since Antonio Stradivari began making them in the late 1600s.
"Just like in the art world, an expert can tell if something is fake, but you need to be an expert," Juszkiewicz said.
If done properly, and sold to the right unsuspecting customer, a vintage knockoff could fetch hundreds of thousands of dollars, he said.
The owner of the Long Island music store, Bernard Musemeci, has pleaded not guilty to trademark counterfeiting.
Musemeci, 44, insists he thought he was buying legitimate Gibson guitars from a dealer who advertised a going-out-of-business sale on the Internet.
This is a thread from the Epiphone forum, talking about seconds been sold in the shops,
www.gibson.com/products/epiphone/forum/toast.asp?sub=show&action=posts&fid=2&tid=174517
Here's some videos of these factory's in China, making these guitars,
china guitar factory rino88
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tJNQcJQGfHY&mode=related&search=
Inside the Guitar Factory part 2
Thanks to celticagent
Here is a video, of one of these people that has a factory that makes and sell's these (fakes) guitars,
part2 Guitar Factory Manufacturing Rino88 Guitars
Or if you want to buy these Gibson fakes wholesale, (as if, or maybe you do ) this company D Hgate.com-China wholsale Marketplace, sells them, man, these people will sell you anything you want, from i-pods, washing machines, to guitars.
Here's their web link, then click on the guitar section.
www.dhgate.com/index.jsp?f=adwords&d=China&gclid=CN303riJkY8CFQHnlAod6Q2WVw
IMO, it's so easy for folk's, youngsters, to get ripped off out there, not only by the conmen, & scamers, but even by some shop's, and other so called respectable establishment's,
and some of the work is so good, it's even getting harder for expert's (or folk's that's in the know) to know if these guitars are the real thing's or not
I have/had also posted this in the Gibson section, but i might be talking about fakes here, not real Gibson's, so i thought I'd post it on here as well
So the next time you are thinking of, or are buying a new Epi electric guitar or Gibson (acoustics) or Fender's, and your thinking your buying American made guitars, think again, as more and more named guitars are been made in the far east, China to be exact.
and there are shop's in America & other countries selling them as USA made guitars,
There has been a lot of "hoo ha" about the Chinese Gibson/Fender, & other makes fakes been sold on e-bay, but are all these guitars fakes, or are some of them seconds, coming out of these Chinese factories.
Of course there will alway's be fakes, but now what with some shop's been caught selling these guitars as the real deal, it does make me wander that some of these fakes are seconds coming out of these factories.
Qingdao Factory!
Here's what some are writing and saying about these guitars, & factory's
Arrest spotlights counterfeiting of Gibson guitars
10/11/2007 8:18:39 AM
By Frank Eltman
Associated Press
GARDEN CITY, N.Y. -- It's a familiar tune, a sad lament actually, about a product falling victim to counterfeiters. Lately, they've been picking on guitars.
Last month, a Long Island music dealer was accused of selling $90,000 worth of knockoffs of classic Gibsons, a guitar known for its deep, melodic sound and used by virtually every country, rock and blues artist from Elvis Presley to Eric Clapton.
"Unfortunately, consumers are ending up on the short end of the stick," said Henry Juszkiewicz, chief executive of Nashville-based Gibson Guitars Corp.
Gibson guitars -- inexpensive models start at about $2,000 -- have a rich, distinctive sound that leads musicians to speak about them in reverent tones.
B.B. King is perhaps the best-known devotee; his black Gibson, nicknamed Lucille, shares nearly equal billing with the blues master on stage.
"Signing guitars that are not Gibson is like being married and kissing a woman who is not your wife," King once huffed when asked to autograph a Fender guitar.
Some of Gibson's Les Paul models -- named for the creator of the solid body electric guitar -- can sell for as much as $10,000 new.
Knocking them off is a lucrative and easy business, according to Hank Risan, a founder of the online Museum of Musical Instruments who owns an extensive collection of guitars and other instruments, including a $15 million guitar once owned by Mark Twain.
"To put together a replica might cost me a thousand dollars, more or less, depending on the instruments and parts," Risan said.
Add a fake logo and insert serial numbers that appear genuine, he said, and "the average person, and most experts, won't know if it's a really good forgery."
China -- as it has with other consumer goods, such as electronics, designer clothing and cigarettes -- has become the source of an influx of mass-produced counterfeit guitars, Juszkiewicz said. Gibson has a factory in China, and Juszkiewicz said that in addition to the legitimate factory, there is another one producing bogus guitars.
He estimated the knockoffs cost the industry millions, but he had no specific figures.
"Most of our leads come from consumers," he said. "There are a lot of really bad instruments being passed off as Gibsons out there. The paint rubs off on your clothes when you take it out of the box, and they sound awful."
A surge in recent years in the value of vintage guitars -- some of which sell for millions at auction -- is also helping fuel the market in fake Gibsons, Fenders and other six-strings.
Forged musical instruments are nothing new. There have been knockoffs of valuable instruments like the Stradivarius violin since Antonio Stradivari began making them in the late 1600s.
"Just like in the art world, an expert can tell if something is fake, but you need to be an expert," Juszkiewicz said.
If done properly, and sold to the right unsuspecting customer, a vintage knockoff could fetch hundreds of thousands of dollars, he said.
The owner of the Long Island music store, Bernard Musemeci, has pleaded not guilty to trademark counterfeiting.
Musemeci, 44, insists he thought he was buying legitimate Gibson guitars from a dealer who advertised a going-out-of-business sale on the Internet.
This is a thread from the Epiphone forum, talking about seconds been sold in the shops,
www.gibson.com/products/epiphone/forum/toast.asp?sub=show&action=posts&fid=2&tid=174517
Here's some videos of these factory's in China, making these guitars,
china guitar factory rino88
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tJNQcJQGfHY&mode=related&search=
Inside the Guitar Factory part 2
Thanks to celticagent
Here is a video, of one of these people that has a factory that makes and sell's these (fakes) guitars,
part2 Guitar Factory Manufacturing Rino88 Guitars
Or if you want to buy these Gibson fakes wholesale, (as if, or maybe you do
) this company D Hgate.com-China wholsale Marketplace, sells them, man, these people will sell you anything you want, from i-pods, washing machines, to guitars.Here's their web link, then click on the guitar section.
www.dhgate.com/index.jsp?f=adwords&d=China&gclid=CN303riJkY8CFQHnlAod6Q2WVw
IMO, it's so easy for folk's, youngsters, to get ripped off out there, not only by the conmen, & scamers, but even by some shop's, and other so called respectable establishment's,
and some of the work is so good, it's even getting harder for expert's (or folk's that's in the know) to know if these guitars are the real thing's or not
I have/had also posted this in the Gibson section, but i might be talking about fakes here, not real Gibson's, so i thought I'd post it on here as well
